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Wurr page 120 by Paperiapina Wurr page 120 by Paperiapina
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Hi peeps! Have a new page.

Surama's little rant here gave me nice headache with its translation, but I hope there aren't too many typos or grammar errors.

Oi, hei, Anne, en välttämättä saa mahdutettua tätä osaa siihen 62:een sivuun, saattaa mennä parilla sivulla yli. Toivottavasti ei haittaa pahasti. (Jos taittoon jää ylijäämäsivuja, niin voin katsoa niihin jotain sitten, jos jää häiritsemään.)

Wurr stuff © me stuff.
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Springheart16 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2012  Student General Artist
Er. Little edit: second to last panel, the phrase is "Nightclaw died giving birth."
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Hawkstorm2 Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
:(
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Exoplanet-2049 Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
Aww, poor Nightclaw.
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AzShayde Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2011
canince dont have tearducts or they cant cry so.... iralbe is wiping his nose? its probably runny cause hes sad but they cant make tears, yes?
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Tagyr Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2011
You're reading about dogs and hellhounds that talk and have cultures, and you're worried about whether or not they have tearducts?
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AzShayde Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2011
no i'm just saying since a few people were debating about what may iralbe be doing that i thought i'd mention it. not worried, just thought i'd mention it. sorry
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shae-luvs-xei163 Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
oooooh... :(
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juanitawolf Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2011  Student Digital Artist
i love the story..and i love the way you draw :la:
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TzikiiWolf Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2011  Student Filmographer
Aww :(
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ShadowsKiss Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2011   Digital Artist
The last few panels were a bit confusing to me. Most people have already pointed out what could be fixed.
"Showed us a pregnant bitch" is really vague, and technically he didn't "show" her to them. It was more implied to us as the audience, and something Iacar figured out. None of the other pages of the comic showed the others of Iacar's pack knowing of her pregnancy, either. So we, the audience, don't know that was the main reason they gave up their land. Everything else that played out made it seem more like a general shift in territory because of the were-rabbits. Like, Iacar got kicked out because he had a much smaller pack and had better lands, and so the bigger and stronger pack would take it. Not once until now was I lead to believe that they gave it up because of a random pregnant female. Perhaps that could have been a bit more clear.
So instead, Sur should have said "Our neighboring leader had a pregnant bitch in his pack" And perhaps just to make her sardonic/sarcastic attitude more effective, I would have made her insult Iacar about it by saying "and our own Iacar here so very kindly presented our territory to them and exiled us from the only home we had." It seems like a lot of speech, but to me that would seem more effective and make a little more sense.

Then, of course, "Nightclaw died giving birth" instead of "died of birth." And then I am confused as to what is going on in that very last panel. He's not wiping his nose, the action marks clearly indicate he is swiping at the skulls, yet the word is "wipe." There is a difference between these words. IF he was wiping his nose, why would the action marks indicate it was a fast/dramatic motion? But if he is swiping at the skulls, that would make more sense just from what the action drawn shows us. However I still have no idea why he would.

This has been the most confusing page for me yet xD but it's mostly small stuff.
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Paperiapina Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2011  Student General Artist
I'm sorry if this is hard to follow. The whole taking up the pregnant bitch is Surama bitching at Iacar, not telling the audience something the audience already knows. I spent the whole first book telling why the pack left, this dialogue is more like me fixing up things I skipped in the past (I had to bring up a point of Iacar's personality that I will need established in the future and I'm running out of pages to show it). I had left it out of the first book out of fear of too much talking heads, so the establishing is coming late, but I must have it at least hinted at before the next book starts, since after that I don't really have more chances to it.

I have now tried to fix the overly speedy lines on the last panel, and I'm afraid I turned the whole thing into a giant blob of correction fluid. ^^; I can't scan it now (I'm out of town visiting my family) but I hope I managed to fix it. (He is wiping his nose.)
I'll have to edit Crippled's speech too when I get back at my place, I was stupid enough not to save the editable file of the page.
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ShadowsKiss Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2011   Digital Artist
haha don't worry about it :) I was able to understand it well enough. It just took a couple of read-overs to make sure. I still think it's a fantastic page, and always look forward to more :)
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Hollowellow Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The speech makes is more primitive, even if it's a product of odd translation, it adds to the character, they are animals, they have no need for long dialog when a simple "Died of birth" suffices in literal terms, it may seem odd to us, but it makes sense for them.

Surama is also speaking in the sense of how she saw it, she's bitter but she still respects Iacar, hence she made aware the pregnant bitch the other pack had. She knew it wasn't really Iacar's fault. She basically contradicts herself and tells us that he really didn't "Just hand over our territory". WolfPearl explains in page 8 that cavebeasts infested Pyramos' lands(mainly the den caves, in which he needed because of the pregnant bitch), and with no other lands to take because they all had more numbers and strength, that left Iacar's land; which only had a small and easier to defeat pack. So Iacar didn't "Hand it over", they would have all died in an ensuing battle that would have happened had he not simply agreed to see why Pyramos was evicting them, plus he knew the risk of birthing even with a good den(his own mate).

Page 25 shows us the pregnant bitch, with Iacar's pack listening in on the conversation using Cripple's awesome hearing and Morri/Iralbe's eyesight. Page 26 shows them discussing the pups not being Pyramos' because he is deepblooded, and the pups would be even more mutated. So they do know about the pregnant bitch.

As for the "wipe" maybe it's a hellhound salute? It is low enough to be him wiping his nose, but it is odd, I agree.
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ShadowsKiss Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2011   Digital Artist
Yeah true, I suppose I never looked at it in the primitive aspect. I'm sure further pages will be more informative about it all.
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Hollowellow Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yep, I can't wait :D
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Sasuko Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2011
I'm confused: I thought this wolf who has multiple eyes and is bigger than the others (I forgot his name) have difficulties pronouncing "s" sounds, but in first and second panel he has no problem at all with speaking.. Could you explain what kind of s sounds are difficult for him? :''D

(I use to have problems speaking s sounds so I guess I assumed that he also has all s's more fs or ft sounds..)
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Tagyr Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2011
Its the one with the tusks who has trouble saying his S's.
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Sasuko Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2011
Yes that's what I've found out..
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Paperiapina Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2011  Student General Artist
You're confusing him with another character. Morri (the seven eyed one) has no lisp, the one who has the lisp is Iacar, the one with only three eyes and big fangs.
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Sasuko Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2011
Oh my bad. Thanks for correcting me. :D
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BoundertheWolf Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2011
Iacar( the hound's pack leader) is the one with the lisp. He's the one standing to Bakbak's left in the third panel, protesting against Surama's little speech. Hope this helps. :3
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Sasuko Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2011
Helped a lot, thank you. It seems that I was too blind to notice that there are actually different characters in panels two and three :'D
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BoundertheWolf Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2011
You're welcome :3
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Fenix351 Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2011
Also they aren't wolves, they're dogs.
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Fenix351 Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2011
Umm, Morri doesn't have that problem. You're thinking of the other one dude.
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CrossHound213 Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011  Student General Artist
In the next to last panel, it should be something like, "Nightclaw died during birth." Or better yet, "Nightclaw died while giving birth." since the first could be a little confusing.

other than that, though, it looks great <3 i know how hard it is to translate things and make them make sense... sometimes it's best to just figure out how to say it in another language... maybe not an EXACT translation, but it gets the meaning across.
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ElohiAdanvdo Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Last Panel: *Sniffle*
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TheHardThinker Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011
Last Panel looks like something strange. Iralbe: Hmm... I think I'll just swipe my paw at the skulls of my fallen friends...
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jmillart Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Or he is rubbing his nose because he is practically (although incapable of) in tears?
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NightmarishWaltz452 Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2011
I am a little confused by the last panel.
What is going on?
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Viergacht Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2011  Professional General Artist
Oh, Sur, that's cold.
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DarkVixen28 Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2011
....The last panel made me cry...

And I'm not just saying that either. The last panel, for real, made me cry. :(
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Nuuhku87 Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2011
Suoraan Suramanin suusta on tästä eteenpäin sitten sanonta ;)
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CahjesaalLesou-n Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2011   Writer
"died of birth"?? I think you should rather say "died giving birth" if it's what you meant...
Awesome page, love it. Just don't get the last movement of Irable.
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VenusRain Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
"Left a mark" works just fine, and I hear variations on the phrase all the time, but I do agree that saying that Nightclaw died while giving birth would work best.
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o0Risa0o Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2011  Student General Artist
What do you mean by "nightclaw died of birth"?
Was she pregnant and died giving birth. If so, then who's her pup. or was it also Iacar's pup?
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BoundertheWolf Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2011
She died giving birth is probably what Crippled meant, and yes, Iacar would have been the father, but the pups died as well. Very sad :(
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o0Risa0o Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2011  Student General Artist
oh! thanks for explaining ^^
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BoundertheWolf Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2011
you're welcome ^^
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Pan-Zareta Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
Surama just cuts right through the BS, don't she?
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animefreak728 Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I really like this story. I'm surprised English isn't your first language. You have a really good grasp on the English language!
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D-Rock92 Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
So Iacar was going to be a father? Dang, that makes it a lot harder for him.

On a side note, How exactly do you translate these pages? You seem to have a great grasp on the language with very few typos.
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awsmdragonqueen Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2011
"died giving birth" definitely sounds better. Also I'd have to agree with some of the other comment, "It left an impression" sounds a little better than "it left a mark". Although I must say I knew what you meant by both comments originally!

i do like the "pregnant bitch" rant XD

Nice work! As always!!! :D
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Wolven-Sister Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Lol! I just love how blunt Surama is. No beating around the bush for her :heart:
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lugiamaster Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2011  Hobbyist
Hm. Perhaps change the Crippled's sentence: are you trying to say Nightclaw died trying to give birth? (sorry, just checking....)
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Truewolfwarriors Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
Yes, that's what those little things around her skull in the ealier page was. Thier dead puppies....
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DoomScarf Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
What page shows the dead puppies?
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Jackralolo Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I believe that TrueWolfWarriors was refering to this page; [link]
;w;
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DoomScarf Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Still not seeing it, guess I'm blind.
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Jackralolo Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
In the bottom corner you can see Iacar sat with his head bowed, The tree has a skull on it (Nightclaw, his mate's skull) and the little beads suspended by ropes on the lowest branches (5 in all) represent their dead puppies.
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